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Saturday, June 24, 2017

1008 Sacking of Mr. IYR Krishna Rao, as Brahmin Corporation Chairman, has lessons not only to him, but also to the Global Bureaucratic Community, and Government Pensioners


Though what I write here appear to relate to the Sacking of the Top Retired Indian I.A.S. (Indian Administrative Service) Bureaucrat, Retd. Chief Secretary of Govt. of Andhra Pradesh,--from his present post of the Chairman, Brahmin Corporation, the basics, circumstances, situations, principles, trends etc. apply not only to Indian Bureaucrats, but to all types of Employees and Officers worldwide, by whatever designations they may be called, whether in Private Sector or in Public Sector. There are lessons not only to be learnt by Shri Krishna Rao, not only by working-at-present Bureaucrats, but also for Retired Bureaucrats, both in Private Sector and Public Sector.

We shall start with a Telugu language Verse, a language spoken by 100 million people across the World.
Poet: Telugu Poet Dhoorjati, Period Approx. 1451-1550 CE.(Period earlier than even William Shakespeare and John Milton. Book: Sri Kalahasti-Iswara-Satakam (A book of 100 verses addressed to Lord Kalahastiswara, the deity at Sri Kala hasti, near Tirumala-Tirupati, Andhra Pradesh).

రాజుల్ మత్తులు వారిసేవ rAjul mattulu, vAri sEva
నరకప్రాయంబు వారిచ్చునం naraka prAyambu, vAriccu am-

భోజాక్షీచతురంతయానతురగీ bhOjAkshI caturanta yAna turagI
భూషాదు లాత్మవ్యధా bhUshAdu lAtma vyathA

బీజంబుల్ తదపేక్ష చాలు మరి bIjambul tat apEksha cAlu mari
తృప్తిం బొందితిన్ జ్ఞానల triptin ponditin gnAna la-

క్ష్మీజాగ్రత్పరిణామ మిమ్ము kshmI jAgrit pariNAma mimmu
దయతో శ్రీ కాళహస్తీశ్వరా! dayatO SrI kALa hastIsvarA !

Approx. English gist: Oh Lord KAlahastIsvarA ! Kings are intoxicated persons (with power). Their service tantamounts to Hell. The paraphernalia they bestow such as women, chariots, horses, gold ornaments etc. are seeds of self-anguish. Let there be end for all such things. I am satiated. Kindly, bless with the Wealth of True Knowledge.


ybrao-a-donkey's personal views not intended to be imposed on others


It is not clear whether the Great poet DhoorjaTi left the service of the Vijayanagara Kings, soon after the death of Srikrishna Deva RAya in 1519 CE circa. But the above verse was apparently penned while Dhoorjati was still in the Court of Krishna Deva Raya. Yet, the above verse might not have been written from the personal experience of Poet DhoorjaTi. In spite of Democles Swords hanging over their heads while serving kings most Telugu Poets continued to serve Kings, because there was no alternative. Where could they go, leaving royal patronage! dina vecca mE rAju tIrpa galaDu (Which king will provide for the daily provisions to the Kitchen?).

But this cannot be the case of the Indian Bureaucrats of the 21st Century. They are well cared after by the Government. Though they may not get their salaries on par with Private Sector CEOs, CFOs of Glamorous Corporates like ICICI Bk., TCS, Infosys etc. they need not worry about their food, clothing, shelter, old age security, health care, children's education etc. Many Govt. Officers and quasi-Government Officers know well that they will be good for nothing outside, and their skills are unemployable in Private Sectors, except for liaison and brokerage services for getting work done in Government. Besides, above everything, if they learn the art of their profession, they can amass enormous wealth through bribing and kick-backs. For that reason only they learn sycophancy from their Seniors, and try to excel them so that they can occupy their chairs as soon as they retire, or sometimes even before the Seniors retire.

I do not wish to say that Mr. IYR Krishna Rao is a sycophant. That will be libellous and scandalous. What I have written about is the general environment prevailing in the Indian (probably even Global) Bureaucratic Arena. IAS-IPS_IFS-IRS caste, Banking Caste, and other Top Officers should not be angry with me for writing this. On the other hand, they should look for black sheep among themselves. The behaviors of some black sheep, can vitiate a whole environment, just as a drop of venom can render a potful of milk deadly.

Mr. I.Y.R. Krishna Rao knew his art and science of playing his Cards well. During his about three decades of service, he has won accolades from his Superiors, both the IAS tribe, and the Politician tribe. He has climbed the rungs of the Executive Ladder with a quite swift felicity. He was rarely sidelined into loop-line postings [derogatively called Shiva-Alayams in Telugu language. Reason: In Andhra Pradesh Shiva Temples tend to be poorer when compared to VishNu temples. Shiva is offered only bilva leaves and ash, whereas VishNu idols (eg. Lord Venkateswara) get all the gold and precious stones) Hence, postings which have no glamor or no additional income such as Director of Museums, Archaeology become loopline]. He had occupied prestigious positions like Executive Officer, Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam, the Richest Temple in India, and the Second Richest in the World after Vatican City. Whatever be the Behind-the-scene affairs, even as Chief Secretary to the Govt. of A.P., he was treated with honor, prima facie.

To Continue in Part 2 of this piece.

To come back and continue adding / deleting / modifying. सशेष. ఇంకా ఉంది.

Monday, April 11, 2016

717 Part 5 of Review of Leadership Speech of Shri V.V. Lakshmi Narayana with his special stress on Swami Vivekananda भाग ५ श्री लक्शमीनारायण जी के विवेकानंद भाषण के अध्ययन భాగం ౫, శ్రీ వీ.వీ. లక్ష్మీనారాయణ , A.D.G.P. Maharashtra గారి ప్రసంగం యొక్క అధ్యయనం



This is in continuation of our blog posts Click to go to 704 , Click to go to 706-- , Click to go to 707, (Click to go to 713) We have done four parts of a ten part series, of a review on the speech given by Shri V.V. Lakshmi Narayana, 2016 Addl. D.G.P., Maharashtra, and former Jt. Director, CBI, Hyderabad. For those who wish to download an mp3 file of more than one hour long speech here is a link: Click to go to Archive.org for downloading mp3 of speech of Shri Lakshmi Narayana. . A video is also available on the net. We shall now take up the fifth part.

Additional trigger for this blog post: An article by Shri Akar Patel in Deccan Chronicle.com, about the introduction of prohibition in Bihar by Mr. Nitish Kumar. Title of the article is: PROHIBITION IS A FAILED IDEA. For those who wish to read this article, here is the link: (Click to go to the article of Mr. Akar Patel in Deccan Chronicle.Com.)

Trigger 2: Speeches of Mr. Kanhaiya Kumar, JNU Student Leader, blaming "Brahminism" as the root cause for the sufferings of Dalits and Sudras in India, and his repeated claims that he does not want Brahminism.

ybrao-a-donkey's humble comments. वैबीराव एक गधे के विनम्र राय . వైబీరావ్ గాడిద వినమ్ర వాణి. You have every right to differ with me. I respect your right. आपको मेरे मत से भिन्न राय रखने के संपूर्ण हक है। मै उस अधिकार को परिपूर्ण रूप से गौरव देता हुँ. మీకు, మీ భిన్నమైన అభిప్రాయాన్ని కలిగిఉండే సంపూర్ణ హక్కు ఉంది. దానిని ఎంతో నేను గౌరవిస్తాను. However, pl. examine this donkey's views also. परन्तु एस गधे के दृष्टिकोण को भी अनुशीलन कीजिये. కానీ ఈ గాడిద దృష్టికోణాన్ని కూడ ఓర చూపుతో కంటజూడుమీ, క్రీగంట జూడమీ.



In any Capitalist Economy, Governance and Society, Prohibition is bound to fail. Mr. Akar Patel has presented several arguments to support the idea of failure of Prohibition in the World, in other States of India, and in Bihar. These things, I shall discuss elaborately and exhaustively in a separate blog post.

On the other hand in a truly COMPLETE SOCIALIST ECONOMY, GOVERNANCE, AND SOCIETY, there will be no need of prohibition.

It has become a fashion for numerous writers to blame Brahminism for the evils of Indian Society. Mr. Akar Patel's article too has a reference to Brahminism.

"...The famous sociologist M.N. Srinivas said prohibition of alcohol was actually a Sanskritic act, like cow slaughter. What he meant was that whatever justification was given, the Indian instinct to ban and prohibit came from a brahminical, upper-caste sensibility. It should therefore not surprise us that the makers of India’s Constitution debated these two issues — beef ban and alcohol prohibition — on the same day, November 24, 1948. I am writing this because another state in India, Bihar, has implemented a ban on all alcohol. Kerala is already going that route, joining Gujarat and a couple of states in the Northeast. ..."


An erroneous exaggerated impression has been created by several journalists, writers, politicians, bureaucrats, everybody, that Brahmins have ruled the roust in India.

Swami Vivekananda too seems to have had this impression. We shall take up his quote also simultaneously. Source for this quote: (Click if you wish to read more.)

"...One cannot but be amazed at the Swami's prophetic intuition as expressed through the following remarks made to Christine in 1896: 'The next upheaval will come from Russia or China. I cannot see clearly which, but it will be either the one or the other.' He further said: 'The world is in the third epoch, under the domination of the vaisya. The fourth epoch will be under that of the sudra.' ".

An explanation was provided as a footnote at the bottom of this quoted page:

Explanation: "...The vaisya, or the merchant, and the sudra, or the worker, represent the third and fourth castes in Hindu society. Swami Vivekananda said that the four castes, by turn, governed human society. The brahmin dominated the thought-current of the world during the glorious days of the ancient Hindu civilization. Then came the rule of the kshattriya, the military as manifested through the supremacy of Europe from the time of the Roman Empire to the middle of the seventeenth century. Next followed the rule of the vaisya, marked by the rise of America. The Swami prophesied the coming supremacy of the sudra class. After the completion of the cycle, he said, the spiritual culture would again assert itself and influence human civilization through the power of the brahmin. Swami Vivekananda often spoke of the future greatness of India as surpassing all her glories of the past. ..."


There is nothing really prophetic in what Swami Vivekananda said. He, in fact, failed to recognise that Upper Sudras have been ruling this country, at grass-root and middle levels, for the last 2000 years.

In the entire history of India, we find only two or three occasions where Brahmins have ruled kingdoms: 1. Brihad ratha, who defeated the last king of the Maurya dynasty. 2. Pishvas of Maharashtra in 17th Century.

Though Indian Epics Mahabharata, Ramayana, puranas (mythological narrations) such as Mahabhagavata, smritis like Manu Smriti contained numerous verses which indicated Brahmin domination, they were rarely implemented except during Mahabharata and Ramayana periods, if at all they contain any elements of valid history (So far no proof of Ramayana and Mahabharata being histories). While Brahmins succeeded in inserting numerous verses which preached favourable treatment and gifts to Brahmins, they were only receiving their livelihood for services such as funerals, weddings, naming ceremonies, housewarming ceremonies, etc. performed by them. This type of services were rendered by Pastors, Bishops, Mullahs, Clerics, in alien religions also.

If we can visualise a society which can dispense with the services of priests / pastors/ mullahs etc., it should all the more be welcome. But that is possible only in a Truly Socialist Society, where 1) the institutions religious priest-pastor-mulah-hood , and their associate ceremonies such as weddings, funeral prayers etc. can be totally abolished. 2) OR, Secular Govt. Officials will perform those functions without introducing the elements of Gods and Prayers.

Vivekananda was under an erroneous impression that Sudras were not ruling the country till now. Ever since the Aryan Kshatriyas died in numerous battles and wars, caused by internecine animosities, invasions by Greeks, Kushanus, Sakas, Huns etc., most of the Kingdoms in India were ruled by Sudras. Maurya dynasty itself was a Sudra dynasty. When Sudras became kings of hundreds of kingdoms of India from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, Afghanistan to Burma, some of them declared themselves to be Kshatriyas (warrior caste). They took help of Brahmins for the purpose. Example: Declaration of Sudra Kings as Agni Kula Kshatriyas, by performance of sacrifices (yagnas) on Aravali Hills of Ajmer.

Brahmins had no alternative left, except to implement the dictates of the New Kings. Brahmins were just servants of the New Sudra Kings. Whatever oppression of the further lower Sudras, and dalits had taken in Indian History, they were at the command of the Sudra Rulers whom we can call "Upper Sudras", while the washermen, barbers, potters, etc. were condemned to be "Lower Sudras". Of course, we can blame the Brahmins for surrendering to the dictates of Sudra Rulers. Then that was a survival need. For that matter, the Army Chieftains and the soldiers of the Sudra Rulers were also Sudras. Under orders of the Upper Sudra Rulers, didn't the Sudra Army Chieftains, Lower Sudra soldiers, exploit and oppress the ruled "Lower Sudras" and Dalits? In other words, whether Sudra or Brahmin or Vysya in the court of the Sudra Kings had their shares of the spoils, from the exploitation of the village Sudras and the exterminated Dalits.

The same structure and system continued in the 20th C. India, and is continuing even in the 21st Century India, in almost all the States.

21st Century Proof. Example from Andhra Pradesh. Without any malice to Upper Sudras, or Lower Sudras of Andhra Pradesh

Without malice to Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu, and his Cabinet Members we shall see the 2016 position: At least 80% of his Cabinet are Sudras. (Notes: Kammas, Reddys, and Kapus are also Sudras. The Chief Minister and the Sudra Ministers will get some ideas in their minds. They call the astrologers and pandits, most of whom are Brahmins. Brahmins are not ministers in the Cabinet. They are not rulers. They know pretty well that unless they become "HMV" (His Master's Voice), they will not get a second call to the Chandra Babu's Court. Recently, one Pravachana Chakravarti (Title: Emperor of Discourses), Upanyasa Chakravarti (Emperor of Discourses), Sarada Gnana Putra (Son of Knowledge of the Goddess of Learning), has been appointed as Adviser to the A.P. Government. This does not mean that the Adviser-Consultant will play a key role in the governance of the State.

The same is the case in Telangana State. Without any malice to the Upper Sudras and Lower Sudras of Telangana:

Mr. K. Chandra Sekhara Rao & his family are Velamas. In Telangana, both the dominant landed castes i.e. Velamas and Sudras are Sudras. Most of his Ministers are Sudras. Mr. KCR also consults Brahmin Gurus and astrologers. But the Brahmin Gurus and the astrologers do not govern Telangana. Their role is just "HMV" and to collect some rewards for becoming "yes-men".

Uttar Pradesh and Bihar are ruled by Sudras, mainly Yadavs who may be classified as Upper Sudras. Most of the UP and Bihar Cabinet Members are Sudras.

At All India level also, similar position exists in Union Cabinet.

About Vivekananda's conception of Vysya (Trader, Business Person caste) Epoch. As per the explanation given in the above website, U.S.A. is taken was a representative of Vysya (Trading Community), by Swami Vivekananda. Swami Vivekananda seems to have forgotten the basic fact that though in Europe, and United States, though Nobility of Birth was partly important, Caste was not important. For example, Queen Elizabeth I of Great Britain depended for her Treasures on colonial slave traders, pirates, for her income.

As a self-declared Advaita Vedanta monk, Swami Vivekananda ought to have stopped thinking on caste lines. When Adi Shankara was going to bathe in Ganga River, one cobbler encountered him. Adi Shankara asked him to give way, by moving aside. The cobbler asked him "Should the body move aside, or the Soul move aside?". Thus Vedantic monks are not expected to think on caste lines, just as Communists-Marxists-True Socialists-atheists are not expected to think on caste lines.

Seeking introduction of prohibition cannot be taken as a Brahminic idea, though in some Regions of India, Brahmins do not consume alcohol and meat. Anyway, when Sudras are ruling India and its 29 States, how can Brahmins dictate terms?

If Mr. Akar Patel really wants to know the exact place where the demand for PROHIBITION is coming, he should do some "para griha pravEsh" (Enter homes of others. This word has been coined by ybrao-a-donkey, on lines similar to "para kAya pravEsh (entering into another's body)".). Every alternate Home in India he can visit, to find out how mothers are harassed by sons demanding money to buy liquor, and to look at housewives and children being beaten by alcoholic husbands, demanding money for liquor. It is the women at home, who are the worst sufferers at the hands of the Liquor Trading Governments and Contractors.

Back to Vivekananda: Though "Financial Invasions" by "Financial Powers" have partly replaced the "Military Invasions" by "Military Powers", there is a synergic mutual interdependence between them. Thus, to use Vivekananda's language, though "Sudras" have become rulers, they depend for their survival on "Vysyas (Meaning:Corporates)" for election funds. The Sudra rulers after getting elected as Presidents and Prime Ministers with "Vysya support" , when they visit abroad, the Sudra Rulers take large representation Groups of "Vysyas" for Business Promotion i.e. to sell aircraft, guns, radars, drones, what not! This is what is called "Crony Capitalism". The "third epoch" has not ended. The third and fourth epoch-es are jointly ruling the World.

To continue. सशेष. ఇంకా ఉంది.

Wednesday, March 2, 2016

680 Are the four castes created by Supreme God or, Kings and Priests?


My post No. 673 Link: Click to go to 673 dealt with the equanimity required for scholars in treating creatures equally. Context, why Swamijis advocate a taboo on cow-beef? why not they advocate a moral taboo on buffalo-beef, goat-meat (mutton), camel-beef etc. To examine this idea, ybrao-a-donkey took the support of the Bhagavad Gita verse, "vidyA vinaya sampannE" of the Chapter 5/18.

My learned friend sent an email, that I erred in interpreting the meaning of the verse "vidyA vinaya sampannE". For that I have already provided sufficient explanation in my previous post.

Along with the interpretative commentary of Shri Ramanuja, sent by my learned friend, he made an observation about the improper comments which are being passed about the verse "chAtur varNyam mayA (Four castes have been created by me), of Gita 3/18.

I quote below the observation made by my learned friend:

Telugu: నా ఉద్దేశం ప్రకారం రామానుజులవారి గీతాభాష్యమే అతి కచ్చితమైనది. ఒక శ్లోకాన్ని సరిగ్గా ఎలా అర్థం చేసుకోకపోతే ఎలటాంటి కువ్యాఖ్యానాలు వస్తాయో మీకు చెప్పడానికే నా ప్రయత్నం. అలాగే, చాతుర్వర్ణ్యం మయాసృష్టం అనే శ్లోకానికి కూడా అనేక కువ్యాఖ్యానాలు వెలిసేయి. నిజానికి చాతుర్వర్ణ్యం అంటే, బ్రాహ్మణ, క్షత్రియ, వైశ్య, శూద్రులు కారు. ఎందుకంటే, సృష్టిలో మానవులు ఒక్కరే లేరు. చేతనాలు, అచేతనాలు ఎన్నో వున్నాయి. దానికి సరియైన అర్థమేమంటే, దేవ, మానవ, తిర్యక్, స్థావర అని అర్థం. ఈ అసలైన అర్థాన్ని విస్మరించి, చెత్త అర్థాలతో కంపు చేసేరు కొంతమంది భాష్యకారులు. మీరు కూడా అవే భాష్యాలని ఉటంకించడం నాకు నచ్చక మీ అవగాహనను విస్తృతపరచే ఉద్దేశంతోనే నేను ఈమెయిల్ పంపేను.

For the benefit of readers who do not know Telugu, approx. English gist of the above observation, made by friend: According to my view, the interpretative-commentary (Sanskrit: bhAshyam) of Gita by Shri Ramanuja alone is vry accurate.

My attempt is to tell, how if a verse is not properly understood, what type of improper comments (ku-vyAkhyAnAs) may arise.

Similarly, several improper comments arose for the verse "CAtur-varNyam mayA srishTyA" (Engl.: "Four castes have been created by me"). In reality, Four castes do not mean: Brahmins (priests), Kshatriyas (barons, soldiers, warriors), Vysyas (merchants), and SUdrAs (servants). Because, in this creation, there are not only humans. There are Motives and Statics etc., many. (Mobiles, immobiles, which can move, which cannot move). The correct meaning for that is: demy-Gods (dEva), human (mAnava), Motive-mobile-dynamic (which have locomotion i.e. tiryak in Sanskrit), and Static (without locomotion like plants which are embedded to ground. Some interpretative-commentors have ignored this meaning, and messed up (Telugu: kampu cEsEru). As I am unable to appreciate you also quoting those, and with a view to expand your comprehensive understanding, I have sent the email.

ybrao-a-donkey's humble comments. वैबीराव एक गधे के विनम्र राय . వైబీరావ్ గాడిద వినమ్ర వాణి. You have every right to differ with me. I respect your right. आपको मेरे मत से भिन्न राय रखने के संपूर्ण हक है। मै उस अधिकार को परिपूर्ण रूप से गौरव देता हुँ. మీకు, మీ భిన్నమైన అభిప్రాయాన్ని కలిగిఉండే సంపూర్ణ హక్కు ఉంది. దానిని ఎంతో నేను గౌరవిస్తాను. However, pl. examine this donkey's views also. परन्तु एस गधे के दृष्टिकोण को भी अनुशीलन कीजिये. కానీ ఈ గాడిద దృష్టికోణాన్ని కూడ ఓర చూపుతో కంటజూడుమీ, క్రీగంట జూడమీ.



1. There is no definition of what is "cetta=garbage" , at least as far as interpretations are concerned, unless the interpretations are grossly absurd when viewed in consonance with , or in the light of the literal meaning of the thing which is interpreted. In ordinary circumstances, literal meaning and literal interpretation seem to serve the purpose, and functionality. Exceptional interpretations do not become inviolable rules. If Shri Ramanuja made a literal interpretation, as long as it is not totally repugnant to the original literal meaning, or to the context, or to reasonableness of courtesy, politeness, we can welcome with open hands. If he has made indirect, remote interpretations, then also they are welcome, as long as they are reasonable.

2. Back to CAturvarNya mayA srishTyA verse

First, for the benefit of our readers, we shall quote the text in Roman Script, its approx. Engl. gist.

Chapter 4. Verse No. 13. 04/013 or 4/13.

Chapter: GnAna yOga. Path of Knowledge / Awareness.

cAturvarNyam mayA srishTam
guNa karma vibhAgaSa:
tasya kartAram api
mAm viddhi akartAram avyayam

English gist: The four caste system has been created by me. The classification of the four castes is in accordance with the qualities and actions. Though I created the castes, I am not the 'Doer'. I am infinite.


The context and purpose of Gita is to motivate Prince Arjuna to fight the Mahabharata war. If Lord Krishna is referring to the four castes of Shri Ramanuja's definition i.e. Demy Gods, Humans, Motive Creatures, Static Creatures, -- existence of Demy Gods is questionable. Motive Creatures do not fight wars, unless they are horses and elephants used in the Kurukshetra. Static Creatures i.e. Plants and Trees do not fight battles.

Lord Krishna referred to the castes of Priests (Brahmins), Warriors (Kshatriyas), Merchants (Vysyas), and SUdrAs (Servants), i.e. the standard commonly understood Indian Caste System only.

PROOF निरूपण ఋజువు



Go to Bhagavad Gita Chapter 18, verses 42, 43 and 44 which tries to impose duties on the four castes. We shall now quote them in Roman Script and their English Gist:

MSY 42

s`amoo damas tapa: s`aucham kshaamtir aarjavam eeva ca
gnaanam vignaanam aastikyam brahmakarma svabhaavajam

MSY 43
s`auryam teejoo dhrutir daakshyam yuddhee ca api apalaayanam
daanam iis`varabhaavas` ca kshatrakarma svabhaavajam

MSY 44
krushi goorakshya vaan`ijyam vais`yakarma svabhaavajam
qparicaryaatmakam karma s`uudrasyaapi svabhaavajam.

ENGLISH GIST

Control of internal senses, Control of the external senses, penance, internal and external hygiene, endurance, simplicity, knowledge, awareness, faith (in scriptures and God) are the qualities inherent to the Priests. (DELIVERANCE 42).

Valor, vigor, courage, efficiency and effectiveness, not fleeing from the battle field, charity, desire to rule the world are all the inherent duties and Actions of a Warrior. (DELIVERANCE 43).

Agriculture, cow-rearing, trade, are the inherent functions of a Trader-caste-born person. Service is the inherent function of a Fourth-Caste born. (DELIVERANCE 44).


Bhagavad Gita is attributed to Lord Krishna and Sage vyAsa. These three verses in the Path of "Liberation and Deliverance" are also a part of the Concluding chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. What is the ending of this preaching embodied in the 715 verses of Gita? Adhere to your caste duties. If you are a soldier by caste, you fight. If you are a Priest by caste, you worship. If you are a Trader by caste, you do business. If you are a Servant by caste, you serve. Where is the place for devas, tiryaks (Motives i.e. animals), sthAvaras (statics i.e. plants) here? Lord Krishna is very much direct. No hiding.

Question: In 4/13 or in 18/42-43-44, there is no reference to BIRTH. Lord Krishna is attributing castes, to the qualities (guNas) and acts (karmas) persons. How do you link it to castes?



PROOF
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 13, Path of Field & Field-knower, Verse 21.

KSHEETRA KSHEETRAGNA VibhAga yOga , Verse 021

purusha: prakrutisthoo hi
bhumktee prakrutijaan gun`aan
kAraNam guNasamgO
asya sad asad yOni janmasu

English Gist

Though the Living Soul is coexisting with the Nature, he bears and consumes joys and sorrows which are born from the Nature. The companionship of the Living Soul with the Nature is the cause for the Soul's getting a good or a bad womb. ( good birth: such as human; bad birth: such as insect or worm Good birth: King. Bad birth: Wretched person.). sad yOni =good womb. asad yOni = bad womb.


Thus Lord Krishna is very much concerned with "wombs" (Sanskrit: yOnis), in other words births.

My Readers, who are thorough with my blog posts at this problemsoftelugus.blogspot.com, I have given one solid proof from Vyasa Mahabharata to show that Aryans were concerned about colors of bodies, and colors of castes.

As far as I can recollect, its link is below: Link: Click to go to

I shall quote vyasa mahabharata and Tikkana Bharatam verbatim.

--Santi Parva 181 005 (bhrigu explained to bharadvAja):

brahmaNAnAm sito varNah
kshatriyANAm tu lohitah-
vaiSyAnAm pItako varNah
SUdrANAm asitas tathA

brahmins white color. kshatriyas red color. vaisyas yellow color. sUdras black color.

బ్రాహ్మణానాం సితో వర్ణః
క్షత్రియాణాం లోహితః
వైశ్యానాం పీతకో
శూద్రానాం అసితస్ తథా.

శ్లోకసారం: బ్రాహ్మణులది తెలుపు రంగు. క్షత్రియులది ఎరుపు రంగు. వైశ్యులది పసుపు రంగు. శూద్రులది నలుపు రంగు.


From Tikkana Telugu Mahabharatam :

శాంతిపర్వం, చతుర్ధాశ్వాసం, 97వ పద్యం. సీసపద్యం.

ఆగమ సత్య ధర్మాచార తపముల
కునికిపట్టుకాగ వనజభవుడు
కలిగించె మును బ్రాహ్మణుల మఱి కల్పించె
నృప వైశ్య శూద్రుల నిర్మలాత్మ
బ్రాహ్మణాదికముగఁ బరగు నన్నాలుగు
జాతుల యుజ్జ్వల ఛాయ లోలి
సొంపారు తెలుపునుఁ గెంపును బసపుచా
యయుఁ గప్పునయ్యు నండ్రార్య వర్యు

ఆటవెలది పద్యం.
లాత్మ కర్మ మెడలి యనులోమ వృత్తి నె
జ్జాతి సొచ్చు నన్యజాతి పనికి
దానికట్టి భంగి దలకొనుఁ బెక్కులు
పనులఁ జేసి జారతనము వచ్చు.

English essence of the tikkana's Telugu verse, as far as colors of castes, and body colors are concerned, is same as Vyasa's original.


This verse is very very important to show that Aryans were migrants into India. They claimed white, red, yellow colors for themselves, alloting Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vysya castes to themselves. Black Color was left to natives.

If Ruling Aryans (Priests + Warriors + Merchants castes) were original Natives of India, they would have been black. Servants would have been white. Allotment of four caste system (chAtur varNyam maya SrishTyA) is the creation of the Ruling Aryan Kings (Kshatriyas), in collaboration with Priests who were respectable, reverable, paid servants of the Kings. After invasions by numerous tribes like Huns, Sakas, KushAnus, Turks, Arabs, Moghuls, the population of White Aryan Warriors, White Aryan Priests, White Aryan Traders went down. At least at some places, Black Natives (hitherto classified as SUdras) have become kings. They started getting help from Black Native Warriors, Black Native Merchants, and of course Black Native Servants. The White Migrant Brahmins, unvanquished Warriors, Vysyas have become assistants to the Black Native Kings, and were forced to revise their scriptures, They have started inducting Black Gods and the Black Kings into mythology. Thus Black Ancestor Native Kings like Rama, Krishna were made into "incarnations" of Gods. A sort of interweaving took place between Black Native Kings and the courtier Black Priests, White Asst. Priests, Black Native Merchants, White Asst. Merchants. We got our Valmiki Ramayan, our VyAs Mahabharata, our Mahabhagavata, with glorification of Black Rama and Black Krishna. Here what is topsy-turvy? Masters have become Assistants. But, they have not lost their superiority complex. But they cannot refuse the orders of the Black Native Kings. We got our mixed culture.

The idea here is not, DEFINITELY NOT, to dig past history for creating dissensions among castes. It is to remind that we have to forget whatever had happened during the last 5000 years, and start a fresh life as an Indian Nation of 1.3 billion, with INDEPENDENT MINDS FREE OF PAST EGOS AND SERVITUDES.

What I want to say through this particular blog post is: "Get rid of the past dirt and dust. Start afresh". For that, Total True Socialism + True Equalism will be a tool.

These are only ideas which occurred to the donkey's mind of ybrao-a-donkey.

Unless priests and Kings say that God created the Castes, it will NOT be easy to enforce caste system on people, even after using brutal force. Creating Superstitious beliefs will be more effective and result-oriented to make people servants, than killing everybody. "God said, we heard, we are telling, you do." -- this is the message of our Priests and Rulers. Now Readers can compare 4th Century A.D. with 21st Century A.D.

ybrao-a-donkey is not going to be rigid. Welcome to corrections to what is written here, as long as they are based on reason.



For the benefit of those who have no idea about the verse 5/18 of Bhagavad Gita, I quote it below in Roman Script, with its English Gist.

KSY 018

vidyaavinayasampannee braahman`ee gavi hastini
s`uni ca iva s`vapaakee ca pamd`itaa: samadars`ina:

English gist as per ybrao-a-donkey:
Such scholars will be equanimous to a well educated and modest Brahmin, cow, elephant, dog, outcaste.


For the benefit of our readers, who wish to study Bhagavad Gita in Roman Script, with English Gist, here is a link, to the original verses and the interpretative-commentary done by ybrao-a-donkey.

Link to full text of Bhagavadgita: Link: Click to go to FULL TEXT of Bhagavad Gita

Link to full text of Bhagavadgita: Link: Click to go to only Chapter 5 "The path of Renunciation of Action 'Karma sanyAsa yOga' ".

The first edition of the Bhagavad Gita translation by ybrao-a-donkey in 2007c was somewhat pungent, as importance was given to socio-economic context, and the need to write frankly and truthfully. Many sentences have been removed by yb, with a view not to hurt the religious sentiments of Readers.

Subject to substantial Revision, additions and deletions. To continue and revise this, with more proof.. सशेष. సశేషం.

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661      |      662      |      663      |      664      |      665      |      666      |      667      |      668      |      669      |      670      |      671      |      672      |      673      |      674      |      675      |      676      |      677      |      678      |      679      |      680      |     
681      |      682      |      683      |      684      |      685      |      686      |      687      |      688      |      689      |      690      |      691      |      692      |      693      |      694      |      695      |      696      |      697      |      698      |      699      |      700      |     


701      |      702      |      703      |      704      |      705      |      706      |      707      |      708      |      709      |      710      |      711      |      712      |      713      |      714      |      715      |      716      |      717      |      718      |      719      |      720      |     
721      |      722      |      723      |      724      |      725      |      726      |      727      |      728      |      729      |      730      |      731      |      732      |      733      |      734      |      735      |      736      |      737      |      738      |      739      |      740      |     
741      |      742      |      743      |      744      |      745      |      746      |      747      |      748      |      749      |      750      |      751      |      752      |      753      |      754      |      755      |      756      |      757      |      758      |      759      |      760      |     
761      |      762      |      763      |      764      |      765      |      766      |      767      |      768      |      769      |      770      |      771      |      772      |      773      |      774      |      775      |      776      |      777      |      778      |      779      |      780      |     
781      |      782      |      783      |      784      |      785      |      786      |      787      |      788      |      789      |      790      |      791      |      792      |      793      |      794      |      795      |      796      |      797      |      798      |      799      |      800      |     

801      |      802      |      803      |      804      |      805      |      806      |      807      |      808      |      809      |      810      |      811      |      812      |      813      |      814      |      815      |      816      |      817      |      818      |      819      |      820      |     
821      |      822      |      823      |      824      |      825      |      826      |      827      |      828      |      829      |      830      |      831      |      832      |      833      |      834      |      835      |      836      |      837      |      838      |      839      |      840      |     
841      |      842      |      843      |      844      |      845      |      846      |      847      |      848      |      849      |      850      |      851      |      852      |      853      |      854      |      855      |      856      |      857      |      858      |      859      |      860      |     
861      |      862      |      863      |      864      |      865      |      866      |      867      |      868      |      869      |      870      |      871      |      872      |      873      |      874      |      875      |      876      |      877      |      878      |      879      |      880      |     
881      |      882      |      883      |      884      |      885      |      886      |      887      |      888      |      889      |      890      |      891      |      892      |      893      |      894      |      895      |      896      |      897      |      898      |      899      |      900      |     


901      |      902      |      903      |      904      |      905      |      906      |      907      |      908      |      909      |      910      |      911      |      912      |      913      |      914      |      915      |      916      |      917      |      918      |      919      |      920      |     
921      |      922      |      923      |      924      |      925      |      926      |      927      |      928      |      929      |      930      |      931      |      932      |      933      |      934      |      935      |      936      |      937      |      938      |      939      |      940      |     
941      |      942      |      943      |      944      |      945      |      946      |      947      |      948      |      949      |      950      |      951      |      952      |      953      |      954      |      955      |      956      |      957      |      958      |      959      |      960      |     
961      |      962      |      963      |      964      |      965      |      966      |      967      |      968      |      969      |      970      |      971      |      972      |      973      |      974      |      975      |      976      |      977      |      978      |      979      |      980      |     
981      |      982      |      983      |      984      |      985      |      986      |      987      |      988      |      989      |      990      |      991      |      992      |      993      |      994      |      995      |      996      |      997      |      998      |      999      |      1000      |     

From 1001 (In gradual progress)

1001      |      1002      |      1003      |      1004      |      1005      |      1006      |      1007      |      1008      |      1009      |     
1010      |           |     
1011      |      1012      |      1013      |      1014      |      1015      |     
1016      |      1017      |      1018      |      1019      |      1020      |     


1021      |      1022      |      1023      |      1024      |      1025      |     
1026      |      1027      |      1028      |      1029      |      1030      |     


     |      1031      |           |      1032      |           |      1033      |           |      1034      |           |      1035      |           |      1036      |      1037      |      1038      |      1039      |      1040      |     


     |      1041      |      1042      |      1043      |           |      1044      |           |      1045      |     


     |      1046      |      1047      |      1048      |           |      1049      |           |      1050      |     

     |      1051      |      1052      |      1053      |           |      1054      |           |      1055      |     
     |      1056      |      1057      |      1058      |           |      1059      |           |      1060      |     
     |      1061      |      1062      |      1063      |           |      1064      |           |      1065      |     
     |      1066      |      1067      |      1067      |      1068      |      1069      |      1069      |      1070      |     
     |      1071      |      1072      |      1073      |      1074      |      1075      |      1076      |     
1077      |      1078      |      1079      |      1080      |     
     |      1081      |      1082      |      1083      |      1084      |      1085      |      1086      |     
1087      |      1088      |      1089      |      1090      |     
     |      1091      |      1092      |      1093      |      1094      |      1095      |      1096      |     
1097      |      1098      |      1099      |      1100      |     
     |      1101      |      1102      |      1103      |      1104      |      1105      |      1106      |     
1107      |      1108      |      1109      |      1110      |