Saturday, April 30, 2016

741 Part (10/10) of a discussion on origins of Lord Venkateswara, Lord VishNu, Goddess Lakshmi et al.




This is Part 10 of the series of our explorative studies on various probabilities of history and origin of the Lord Venkateswara's (Balaji) shrine at Tirumala-Tirupati. This is in continuation of our blog posts 508, 511, 512, 513, 584, 597, 631, 739, 740. For those who wish to study them (studying them will broaden our frame of thinking-i.e. perspective.), here are the links: To go to 508- Part1/10. To go to 511- Part2/10. To go to 512- Part3/10. To go to 513- Part4/10. To go to 584- Part5/10. To go to 597- Part6/10. To go to 631- Part7/10. . To go to 739- Part8/10. . To go to 740- Part9 /10. . One important conundrum which remains nearly unexplorable, in the absence of adequate clues and evidence, is the role of 'mahAdEv or paramEswara'. 'mahA' and 'paramA' are attributive prefixes (adjectives) to describe 'dieve' or 'deive'.

In the above photo, it can be seen that Sun God has four horses instead of Indian norm of seven horses (view of other three might have been obfuscated), whereas Latvian Sun Goddess Saule and Charioteer Usins drive two horses only instead of seven.

In Latvian, Lithuanian folklore, dieve, deive are Superior, even to 'perkons or perknoos' in Latvian folklore (parjanya or God of Thunders i.e. Indra, the Chief of Demy Gods and Lord of Svarga in Indian pantheon). We have also seen that though Usins is masculine, he is regarded only as a charioteer for the Sun Goddess Saule (in Latvian folklore Saule or Surya is feminine). note: Ausera, a Lithuanian Goddess we need not confuse ourselves with Usins. Ausera also meant dawn or 'Ushas'. This only shows that Usins may be VishNu. In the previous post, I have already expressed my feeling that Usins and Saule have been integrated and brought into Indian pantheon as only one i.e. "sUrya-Aditya-vishNu" (integrated name "sUrya nArayana"). Perkons (Parjanya-Indra) was gradually subdued to him. (Example: Lifting of Govardhana Hill by Lord Krishna against the will of Indra who rained thunders to frighten Yadavas).


According to the mythologydictionary.com/baltic-mythology.html, dievs =
"Dievs : A Lettish sky god and fertility god. Consort of Saule. Sometimes referred to as Dievs, Latvian Debestevs, Latvian Debestevs, Dievas, Lithuanian Dievas, Lithuanian Dievas or Debestevs. ".
ybrao-a-donkey: This may be possible because, in Latvian, Lithuanian folklore, Saule is feminine, and dieve could her husband. But, there is also another variation: Moon is husband of Saule.

POSSIBILITIES, PROBABILITIES. साध्यासाध्य, अवकाश సాధ్యాసాధ్యాలు, అవకాశాలు


About "dieve" (in Lithuanian) or "deive" (in Latvian) who is regarded as superior even to Usins, Perkons and Laime, we can make following observations. First, Readers may please see the picture of dieve.



Mahabharata, the Epic by Sage Vyasa, though is a VaishNava scripture like Mahabhagavata, Mahabharata's DrONa parva gives great importance to Lord mahA dEva, who we in India commonly refer as Shiva or Shankar (Shankar MahadEv , Shiv mahadEv in North India). In the above photo, 'dieve' is spelt as 'xieve' (a variation of triangular letter delta for 'd'). As the God is moving on horse, we may have to regard him as Usins or Vishnu, since Laima (Lakshmi) and Mara are accompanying him. Besides, Maha dieve Shiva's vehicle is an ox.

Mara, some critics and analysers thought that, she represented 'Mary' of Christianity. It may not be correct. In Indian pantheon, 'Mara' represents the God Cupid, also called Manmatha, angaja. He is son of Lord Vishnu (Lord Krishna). He was slain by Shankar Mahadev when he penance was disrupted by Mara. Mara's wife was Rati. At her prayer, her husband Mara was again brought back to life, but without a body. Alternatively, 'mara' can be a variation for 'marut', a member of Lord MahA dieve's followers called 'rudra gaNas'. According to Indian pantheon, mahA dieve is also one of the EkAdaSa 11 Rudras. If the dieve on the horse is Usins, 'mara' can be Lord mahAdEv. Anyway, mara is masculine in Indian pantheon.

About Laima Mate, whom Latv-Lithus regard as Goddess of Fate, and Goddess of Child-birth, we have covered in blogpost 740 under ashTa lakshmis (Eight Lakshmis).


POSSIBILITIES, PROBABILITIES. साध्यासाध्य, अवकाश సాధ్యాసాధ్యాలు, అవకాశాలు


Dieve, if regarded as masculine, can be taken as Shankar mahAdEv (Lord Shiva). 'deive' or 'dieve' if regarded as feminine, can be taken as 'dEvi' (in Indian pantheon dEvi = Adi Sakti, the Mother Goddess of all the three i.e. Brahma, VishNu, and Shankar Mahadev). According to one Indian legend, Adi Shakti or dEvi asked her sons i.e. Brahma (Creator), VishNu and MahEswar Maha+Iswar to marry her. The first two refused, because it would be incestuous to marry mother. The last one Maheswara agreed to Shakti's request. Hence, the Goddess 'dEvi' is also the wife of Lord Shankar Maha dEv (Great dieve), apart from being mother of all the Three.



Subject to corrections and deletions. To continue. सशेष. ఇంకా ఉంది.

Thursday, April 28, 2016

740 (Part 9/10) of Lord Venkateswara, Lord Vishnu, Goddess Lakshmi, Lord Usins and Laime Mate of Latvian Folklore


This is Part 9 of the series of our explorative studies on various probabilities of history and origin of the Lord Venkateswara's (Balaji) shrine at Tirumala-Tirupati. This is in continuation of our blog posts 508, 511, 512, 513, 584, 597, 631, 739. For those who wish to study them (studying them will broaden our frame of thinking-i.e. perspective.), here are the links: To go to 508- Part1/10. To go to 511- Part2/10. To go to 512- Part3/10. To go to 513- Part4/10. To go to 584- Part5/10. To go to 597- Part6/10. To go to 631- Part7/10. . To go to 739- Part8/10. .


SOME QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS EXPLAINING LATVIAN GOD USINS and LATVIAN GODDESS LAIME or LAIME MATE -vis-a-vis THE VEDIC GOD VISHNU and VEDIC GODDESS LAKSHMI, similarities and contrasts.



Question: USINS in Latvin Folklore drives only two horses, whereas the chariot of Sun God in India has seven horses. Explain.



ANSWER:-The most important similarity between Usins and the Indian Sun God is they bestow light, and represent LIGHT, apart from traversing the sky along zodiac. Though scholars compare 'Usins' to Vedic Goddess 'Ushas' (dawn), and attribute to it feminine form, and inasmuch as Ushas, Sandhya (two interregnums dawn and dusk), chAya (shadow or shade) are also regarded as feminine and as wives of Sun God, somehow they do not find much significance.

On the other hand, Vedic Sun is treated on par with Lord VishNu, calling him "SrI sUrya nArAyaNa" (nArAyana = Lord VishNu). Besides sUrya (Sun God) and Lord VishNu both are masculine, uterine brothers to Mother Aditi, Father Sage Kashyap, and are members of the 12 AdityAs. The 5th incarnation of Lord VishNu, called vAmana is also one Aditya. Thus Sun God and VishNu are virtually same in Vedic Literature, though some people seem to differentiate Sauram (Sun-worship) from VaishNavam (VishNu worship).

There is a hymn called "Aditya hridayam" = Heart of the Son of Aditya. Though literally, this hymn is regarded as a prayer to Sun God, it can also be interepreted to mean that VishNu being Aditya, the Sun God and VishNu are same. In Valmiki Ramayana, Sage Agastya taught the ADITYA HRIDAYAM to Shri Rama, before the later started his battle with demon Ravana. In mahAbhArata also, the king yudhishThira worshipped and Aditya and Aditya hridayam to get blessings of Sun God, and VishNu.

Reconstruction of the Latvian-Lithuanian-Ancient-Prussian Gods and Goddesses from Latvian folklore, by the Latvian-Lith-Ancient Prussian Researchers, has a longer way to go. Either they may add another five horses to Usins, or Indians may allow flexibility in the number of horses. My humble view: Aryans, starting from Arctic Circle (pl. see my blog post No. ...in which I have given link to download the book of Lokmanya Bala Gangadhara Tilak, proposing that Aryans started their migration from Arctic.).

According to me, from Arctic, the Aryans proceeded to Latvia-LIthuania (Baltics), then Mesapotaemia (at present Iraq), then Afghanistan, and then India. The second route was through Persia (Iran). Mesopotamian Civilisation seems to have a special love for the numbers 7, 12, 60. The relationship between the Mesopotamian Astronomy-Astrology and the Indian Astronomy-Astrology are to be deeply inquired into. Seven horses may represent seven days in a week. The two horses Usins might have shifted to seven horses in Iran / Iraq.


Question: Latvian Goddess Saule, representing Sun, is feminine. How can you equate masculine Vedic Sun (sUrya) with Saule?




Ans: For this reason only, Indian Sun God is to be compared to Usins, instead of Saule. There is another Sanskrit name for the God of Light in Indian traditions: "savitru or savitur" from which we have got the word 'SAvitri'. This 'savitur' dispels darkness, and ignites the intellects of individuals, as can be seen in gAyatri mantram (Chant of gAyatri) regarded as very sacred and secret by scholars for a long time:

Om bhur bhuvar suvar tat savitur varENyam
bhargO dEvasya dhImahi, dhiyO yO nah prachOdayAt.

English Gist: Let us meditate on that excellent glory of the divine vivifying Sun, May he enlighten our understandings. — Translated by Monier Monier-Williams. BhU, bhuvar, suvar are the three worlds earth, nether world, and heaven.

Additional comment from ybrao-a-donkey: This chant is taught during thread-induction ceremonies (called upa-nayanam ceremony) prevalent in some Aryan Castes. The word Upa-nayananm, means 'sub-eye' "opening or providing an additional third eye". This additional eye, is "Eye of Awareness". Some people may believe that this personified "eye of awareness" opens automatically once the upanayanam ceremony is performed. No, not. After the youth is taught the gayatri chant, he has to worship the Sun God (it is Lord VishNU), three times a day, which is not idol worship (saguNam). It is idol-less meditation on the Supreme Power (nir-guNam).

The Baltic Aryans, the Mesopotamian Aryans, the Iranian Aryans, who migrated to India were not idol worshippers. They were worshippers of VishNu (Usins).


Let us see this verse from Bhagavad Gita: CHAPTER 15, VERSE 14 OF BHAGAVAD GITA. You can also have a look at ybrao-a-donkey's translation of Bhagavadgita at Click if you wish to study bhagavadgitayb.blogspot.com by ybrao-a-donkey. This Bhagavadgita has been revised, after removing some unpleasant comments, in the context of pluralism in India, and the delicate minds of Indians. However, I welcome questions on any particular verse. I shall reply with proof, to the extent possible.
aham vaisvanaro bhUtva
prANinAm deham asritah
prAnApana-samayuktah
pacAmi annam catur-vidham.

English: I am the fire of digestion in every living body. I am the air of life, outgoing and incoming. I digest the four kinds of foodstuff.

ybrao-a-donkey: Light, fire, heat, Air these four atributes, the Aryans have blended into their Supreme God. Though in strict sense "vaiSvAnara" some people may take only as Fire God, light and fire are interdependent. The Star Sun itself is a big burning fire ball, emanating glowing light. Hence, "VaisVanara" can be taken to mean "Usins".


There are many other interpretations and translations. Here is a link which gives word-to-word meaning of the gAyatri chant: Click to go to eaglespace.com. .

When I give links to external websites which report, explain, comment etc., it does not mean that I endorse everything they write/publish. Some of the things they publish have valuable contributions, probably more valuable than things I write here. It is for the Reader to work with his discriminative abilities.

Shall finish shortly.

(To continue. और लिखने का है। ఇంకా వ్రాయాల్సింది ఉంది.

Wednesday, April 27, 2016

739 (Part 8/10 of Lord Venkateswara Temple- VishNu and Lakshmi are the Latvian-Lithuanian Gods-Goddesses Usins and Laime Mate.


This is Part 8 of the series of our explorative studies on various probabilities of history and origin of the Lord Venkateswara's (Balaji) shrine at Tirumala-Tirupati. This is in continuation of our blog posts 508, 511, 512, 513, 584, 597, 631. For those who wish to study them (studying them will broaden our frame of thinking-i.e. perspective.), here are the links: To go to 508- Part1/10. To go to 511- Part2/10. To go to 512- Part3/10. To go to 513- Part4/10. To go to 584- Part5/10. To go to 597- Part6/10. To go to 631- Part7/10. .

Clarification: I am not any canvassing agent for alien religions, paid to convert people into alien religions. From my previous previous blogs, my readers can find that I oppose(d) conversion of IGNORANT & POOR people into alien religions. For National Integration, There are two ways. First way, a Mahatma Gandhi's way: Persons can continue with their birth religions and become ideal citizens of their birth religions- (Mahatma Gandhi's idea: become a best Hindu, a best Muslim, a best Christian etc. etc., and become a true). 2. Become irreligious, without abandoning ethics.

In both the methods, Indian can set examples to other countries. If, however, Hindus or those who say that it is Sanatana dharma, and want it to become the Greatest Religion (better to call Culture) of India, or the Greatest Religion of the World, have a sacred duty to make it more livable and attractive for Centuries to come. That means, Hinduism or Sanatana dharma will have to continuously search for negative futures in its theories and practices, and improve them for making the Hinduism / Sanatana dharma, the ideal livable, lovable dharmas. Empty slogans and rhetorical speeches will not really help. Anyway, this subject, we can deal with again, separately.

PRAYER: If you have a very delicate religious mind which can be easily hurt, kindly forbear with me, forgive me, and move over to some other web page.

The object of this particular blog post: Every year people spend thousands of Rupees for visiting pilgrim centres, hiring cars, booking air tickets, A/c buses etc., purchasing tickets for darsan. They also spend lot of time, standing in queues for darsan (a view of the deity and an opportunity to submit prayers). They also expose themselves to numerous risks like road accidents, fire accidents, crowd-stampedes, pick-pocketers, chain-pullers, train-robbers, cheating by intermediaries, what not! When they return home with empty pockets, and bodies exhausted, they return with great hopes that their desires will be fulfilled, that they get protection from Gods, and above all some vignettes about their journey-experiences on occasions like booking of rooms, bathing in open places, cooking food in open places, buying tiffins, etc.

Yet, it is my personal feeling, when compared to the amounts spent, time spent, efforts made, risks undergone, the pilgrims do not get much enriched about knowledge. At the places they visit, they may get told some stories about the divine miraculous powers of that particular place (sthala purANam, often supported by a story from skAntha purANam), which they accept without making further inquiries. Some people may undergo a computer term "gigo" (garbage-in garbage-out). Some people may undergo only gi (garbage-in) only. My anguish is, if they could spare a little more effort and time, on "an exploratory study" of the place, probably, they will get more intrinsic rewards, and greater enlightenment. If they care to apply their minds about the practicability of the story, they will go nearer the truth.

Picnics and pleasure trips, summer vacation visits for recreation etc. do not fall within the scope of this article.

As Lord Venkateswara is regarded as an extended incarnation of Lord VishNu (in addition to the ten traditional incarnations (daSAvatAras) of Lord VishNu, it is worthwhile, studying the origin of Lord VishNu.

We have already seen that Aryans have migrated to India from Latvia-Lithuania-Ancient Prussia-Sudovia-Estonia etc. countries (collectively referred to as Baltics. We can add to these the North European, North Sea, Scandinavian countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, and the Arctic country Iceland. We have to remember that the vocabulary and grammar of Latvian, Lithuanian, Ancient Prussian languages have very close resemblance to Sanskrit Vocabulary and grammar. We have discussed some of these issues at my blog Click to go to my blog Indo European Dictionary at blogspot.com. . There, one of our valued Readers by name "Latvian" (real name we do not known. Screen name only.) has contributed greatly to our understanding of Latvian Language and the Latvian Folklore.

A COMPARATIVE STUDY OF LATVIAN GOD "USINS", LAIME MATE and VEDIC GODS VISHNU and LAKSHMI mAta


After going through several dozens of web pages on Latvian Mythology, Latvian History, Latvian Pantheon, I am tempted to make the following observations. Though I am obliged to give links to all those websites here with due courtesy, as the list has become very lengthy and quite laborious to type. But, I wish to express my sincerest thanks to all the websites for the immeasurable help they have given to understand the Latvian contributions to Indian VEDIC Mythology. Now, some of my observations (some of these observations I have already written at my several blogs, including the problemsoftelugus.):-

1. "Usins" of Latvian folklore is Lord VishNu. Though oppressed and suppressed by Christian Tyranny, the Latvian Folk-lore survived in unwritten form. Now, the Latvia-Lithuania lovers are trying to standardise it and popularise it), Usins is mentioned as charioteer of Sun Goddess Saule (Saura, sUrya). Usins is associated with horses. In one web-page, he is mentioned to have a horse face. In Indian mythology, one form of Lord Vishnu (or Usins?) can along with other incarnations, be taken as "hayagriva" (horse-throated God). Notes: Though as per Indian traditions, the name of the charioteer of Sun God is "anUra" [person without "Urus" (thighs)], much is not known about "anUra" except that he is elder brother of VaishNava Vehicle (God used as vehicle of Lord VishNu) Garuda. Their common mother is "Vinata" and father Sage "Kashyapa". Both the brothers were born from Eggs. But Vinata, in a haste, before the hatching of the egg, prematurely broke it. Consequently, anUra was born without thighs. In spite of not having thighs, he drives the Sun God's chariot of only one wheel, across the skies from East to West. Many Indians are not familiar with anUra, but are very familiar with kite God GaruDa, because every VishNu Temple has VishNu's vehicle Kite GaruDA, and on festival occasions, the God moves in streets surrounding the temple, on the kite vehicle.

Usins can also be associated with the legendary twins "aSvani dEvatas" or "aSvini dEvatas" of VaishNava tradition, incarnations of VishNu. The twins are linked with "Dhanvantari" , the founder of Ayurveda, the Indian System of Medicine.

Aryan Migrants into India were very particular about cows and horses. Proofs for these things can be discussed.

One burning question: Whether Aryans spread outwards- from India to Europe, South East Asia? (This is called Asian Angle). Whether Aryans spread from North Europe to Bactria, Iran , then to India (European angle). Reply for this can be seen in our previous blogposts. I shall try to give links to them by revisiting this page.


Link for those who wish to know more about "Hayagriva". Click to go to

2. "Laime" or "Laime mAtE" of Latvian folklore is Goddess Lakshmi. Laime is regarded as GODDESS OF FORTUNE in BOTH THE COUNTRIES. In India, we have a tradition of ASHTA LAKSHMIs (eight Goddesses of Fortune) representing

1. Goddess of Children (santAna Lakshmi)
2. Goddess of Harvest and Grains (dhAnya Lakshmi)
3. Goddess of Wealth and Prosperity (dhana Lakshmi, aiSvarya Lakshmi, saubhAgya Lakshmi)
4. Goddess of Learning and scholarship (vidya Lakshmi)

5. Goddess of success and victory (Vijaya Lakshmi)
6. Goddess of Valor and Courage (Vira Lakshmi)
7. Goddess of Blessings and Boons (Vara Lakshmi)
8. Goddess the-FIRST, Goddess the-GREAT (ADI lakshmi, mahA Lakshmi).

There are other versions of the 8 Lakshmis which have elements slike gaja lakshmi (Lakshmi adorned by elephants).


INDIAN TRADITIONS LATVIAN FOLKLORE AND TRADITIONS
This table will be filled shortly . These columns will be filled shortly.

To know more about Latvian history, Click to go to LatvianHistory.com.

Shall finish shortly.

(To continue. और लिखने का है। ఇంకా వ్రాయాల్సింది ఉంది.